Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 13:08:59 -0800
Subject: U=Z Thread; Late Oct. to early Nov., 1954
United Kingdom
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From: "Rob Duvall"
<rduvall1@frontier.com> To: "francis ridge" <nicap@insightbb.com> Cc: "'daniel wilson'" <daniejon2000@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: U=Z Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 13:08:59 -0800 Fran,
In my studies of UFO activities in countries
outside the US there are many examples of very
important nuclear/correlative events. One in
particular is worth having in the NUCCON database.
Others are important as well, but the timing of this
one well it doesn’t get any better and it is a
radar event. In 1954 many things were happening around
the world. To understand the importance of the events
one must realize the recent history in the particular
country of the events. The reasons for the activity
will be related to the historical events occurring in
those countries and the countries they are influencing
one way or the other. Some will be related to
conflict, some to obtaining sovereignty, and others
will be related to the nuclear developments there. In
November of 1954 there was an event in the UK that
really needs to be presented on the NICAP website
within the pretext of not just nuclear connection but
nuclear historical correlation. There is a huge
difference in those two categories/phrases. One
implies some sort of connection the other
implies a direct measurable connection in terms of
timing, location, activity type, and duration.
Additionally there is consistency of similar
types of events over time. All over the world this has
happened over and over, and not just within the
context of nuclear related events.
The event I would like to see worked out and
verified as a good known event, is the U=Z radar case.
In November (6th?) there were not just one but several
radar stations that picked this up a formation
(I believe it was more than 40 objects) that changed
patterns as the sweeps occurred creating in sequence
“U=Z”. When one considers what the UK was doing with
regard to nuclear weapons at that time it should not
be too alarming to see such a message conveyed.
I followed some of the developments regarding the
UK’s weapons program as it migrated, for instance, to
Australia. The activity followed it. I did this same
sampling with other countries and it was the
consistency that at first blew me away, then became my
reason to continue along those lines of research. We
can focus on the US, but the truth is that this
happened globally within the original 5 declared
nuclear states and the sixth original undeclared
state. Some of these for obvious reasons are difficult
to get useful material out of.
Doing this one case with the correlative history,
and perhaps reconsidering the less than descriptive
“connection” category vs. “correlation”, could
jump-start interest in putting the puzzle pieces
together. We all sit around and read this stuff and if
even just one in the group finds and interesting
correlation and documents it on the website, others
may follow. It is a way to get the study out into the
hands of those who can contribute. While I know this
is not the core thrust of NICAP, I think folks like
Keyhoe and Hall would support it.
Give it some thought, please. There are so many
books and articles available on the history that this
is sort of a no-brainer otherwise I would not be
doing it. I am not smart just tenacious. I think
you know tenacious.
Your friend,
Robert Duvall
====== Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 11:25:52 -0600 To: A-Team From: francis ridge <nicap@insightbb.com> Subject: Radar case sought U=Z The event I would like to see worked out
and verified as a good known event, is the U=Z radar
case. In November (6th ?), 1954, there were not just
one but several radar stations that picked this up
a formation (I believe it was more than 40
objects) that changed patterns as the sweeps
occurred creating in sequence “U=Z”.
Anybody???
====== Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:33:59 -0700 From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell@midlandresearch.com> To: post@currentencounterslist.com Subject: Re: [Current Encounters] Lt. Oct. to early Nov., 1954; United Kingdom: RADCAT What a curious incident!
Martin's write-up doesn't indicate if anyone
recorded the details of the relative
orientations of the 'symbols' and how they
evolved. For example, did they maintain a
consistent aspect relative to the 'reader', such
that if all the symbols were placed in a row
simultaneously they would literally appear as
"U=Z"? I ask because I can imagine starting with
a "U", which then gradually loses the base of
its 'trough', leaving two parallel bars, i.e.,
an "=" sign, but rotated 90 degrees from its
proper 'reading' orientation. Should that
missing segment reappear, now diagonally joining
the opposite ends of the parallel bars, it would
produce a "Z", but again not in the proper
orientation.
The above scenario might be plausibly
consistent with a flight of birds/insects, but
nonetheless incredible for having occurred in
the same way on six different occasions.
Mike
====== From: "Rob Duvall" <rduvall1@frontier.com> To: "'daniel wilson'" <daniejon2000@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: "francis ridge" <nicap@insightbb.com> Subject: RE: [Current Encounters] Late October to early November, 1954;United Kingdom / The Arming of Europe in 1954 and The UFOs / WP 36# Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:02:29 -0800 Daniel,
It could be that the U=Z occurrence was
related to Matador and nuclear cannon
deployments, also at that time the UK was
moving ahead with thermo-nuclear bomb
development. Both could certainly get
write-ups although in the case of the
Matadors I would focus on sightings
specifically related to the deployment
areas, storage areas, etc… Those deployments
certainly stirred things up between East and
West, but really this was necessary to both
let the Soviet Union know where the hard
borders were and to give Europe the
necessary defense/deterrent mostly missing
at that time.
France was involved in other matters that
year, as was Italy. My take on this is a
little of both - conventional and nuclear
rationale for the sightings. I am learning
that nuclear policy did not account for
events that seemed like responses to the
nuclear strategy at the time.
The example I can give you is the June
1968 activity at the DMZ in Vietnam. I was
told emphatically it was likely there was a
nuclear component to those series of events.
For years I was pounding that square peg
till I got blisters and gave up. Now I
know with certainty that this activity was
conventional. The US did NOT want to get
into a nuclear exchange over Vietnam. Of
course the Joint Chiefs brought the tactical
nuclear option to Westmoreland (they were
giving him latitude), but he didn’t want it
and foreign policymakers in D.C. didn’t want
it.
In 1954 France lost out on Vietnam
this could easily account for some specific
events that year. France had its own atomic
weapons program that was moving along slowly
likely accounting for other activity that
year as well. It wasn’t until 1956 that
France signed a secret deal with Israel on
joint development. There were agreements
with Germany and Italy for joint development
that same year, but those were abandoned
when Charles De Gaulle prioritized the
program in 1958 and in 1960 France had
its first successful test. Italy had a
nuclear power program from the early sixties
but responded to catastrophes around the
globe and eventually decommissioned its
plants with the last one closing in 1990.
Since then attempts have been made to
restart nuclear power efforts but once
again accidents caused political resistance
to those efforts.
It is likely that activity is very
specific in many different areas of
discipline. If we spend time and make each
case have a high probability we will better
serve the correlative indoctorinization and
the research field will respond accordingly.
My head is bloody from hitting the wall with
it. I have learned the hard way that the
activity is more nuanced than I used to
think.
Rob
====== From: "Rob Duvall" <rduvall1@frontier.com> To: <post@currentencounterslist.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:06:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [Current Encounters] Lt. Oct. to early Nov., 1954; United Kingdom: RADCAT All,
This incident, when realized within the
context of nuclear developments in
the UK at that time is succinct. Yes this
case needs firming up. It is a
critical case and has over the years not
received proper attention. My hopes
on this particular case are that efforts
be put into firming it up rather
than decapitating it. The case is covered
in Richard Haines' "Project Delta:
A Study of Multiple UFO". It has other
sources going back further and was
originally brought to my attention by
researchers in Japan. The Japanese are
keen to nuclear related activity and are
not prone to calling out spurious
incidents. I have learned much through
their observations. They have more
reasons than anyone else globally for
their apparent interest.
Thanks in advance for everyone's help on
this.
Rob Duvall
====== From: "Rob Duvall" <rduvall1@frontier.com> To: "francis ridge" <nicap@insightbb.com> Cc: "'daniel wilson'" <daniejon2000@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: RE: [Current Encounters] Lt. Oct. to early Nov., 1954;United Kingdom: RADCAT Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:36:43 -0800 Fran,
Taken on its own merit - this event
doesn't even qualify for categorization.
Only within the context of
understanding what U=Z means can it be
categorized. Why did that particular
event occur at that particular time and
place?
I read Martin's coverage on the case
and have some comments.
I think the analyses are good but the
conclusions are weak. Martin says
after good analysis it can't be birds
then restates it as a probable cause,
but after summarizing why it can't
be, goes on to state "insufficient
information".
If I were looking at this fresh from
the outside I would wonder how it got
into the category, what it meant, and
why NICAP even bothered with this
sighting after claiming "insufficient
information".
Without context this case is
perplexing to say the least, and leaves
Martin
to conclude "insufficient
information", even though it happened
over a
period of days at the same time,
location and altitude - and was
witnessed
on multiple radar sets. Honestly -
this is how progress is muted
perpetually. When you categorize
something it makes it easy for someone
researching to find the data. But
leaving out possible reasons for the
activity makes the event next to
useless.
If additional notes are allowed from
the Rome events, why not some notes on
possible reasons for the event?
Without context many of these cases fall
into the "insufficient information"
category and are lost to obscurity.
By the way - so many elements are
covered on the Rome case that it
obscures
the U=Z case. Have a simple note
relating the two events - even though
there
is no direct relationship other than
date and formation activity. Rome and
therefore Italy are getting different
treatment than the UK. Italy had no
nuclear program at that time. Give
the Italy case its own spot outside of
the U=Z case. It is likely an
important event that gets obscured by
putting
it with U=Z.
The UK was in the middle of a whole
lot of nuclear weapons related activity
at that time. It was moving forward
with the H-bomb, it was hosting US
nuclear weapons, it had its own
atomic weapons, and it was involved in
deployment to Eastern Europe. U=Z,
uranium/atomic weapons equals "Z", as in
the end (of alphabet). This is how
the event has been interpreted by
others.
When I saw it without knowing
anything about it - that was the first
thing I
thought of.
Martin's coverage below.
This is why I am advocating Nuclear
Correlation in addition to Nuclear
Connection.
Rob Duvall
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