Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:53:59 -0500
From: Francis Ridge <nicap@insightbb.com>
Subject: Pacific Ocean, 15 miles off Guam,  Sept or Oct 1974
To: RADCAT

              This report was taken from the files of Carl Feindt.
Report # 1118



9~10-??-1974

I have taken the liberty of placing this case into the “Aircraft Carriers, Other Large Ships and UFOs” category, not because it is a large ship but because it is large in scope. It could also be placed in the “Totally Submerged” category, but because it was a military sighting both by the crew of the ship and by the base on the island it was circling, I feel it should be placed in the former category with the BIG ships. –CF-       

In conjunction with this report, I am requesting that anyone who was stationed on the Guam base and has knowledge of sighting of the UFO mentioned, to please contact me (See “Contact Me” page). -CF-   

With thanks to: NavSource Online:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/37/09374201.jpg

E-Mail #1
Please note – All names have been removed for confidentiality –CF-

Dear Sir: While aboard the USS Reclaimer ARS-42 while off Guam, I was [a] witness to an underwater event that I have remembered for years. Oddly, it wasn’t till this last Xmas season1 that I saw, heard, or paid much attention to underwater UFOs. Here is the account of the event as best as I can recall: It was the mid watch. The OOD2 was a warrant [officer], Boatswain3 Mr. Xxxxx. I was a GMG/DV SN4 standing the petty officer of the watch aboard the oceangoing tug/salvage ship USS Reclaimer. We were steaming off Guam, waiting till first light to enter and dock. The starboard lookout, SA5 Xxxxx Xxxxxxx, called me to report a contact. What we saw was a single red flashing light. We remarked we were being pulled over by Barney Fife (Andy of the Mayberry show) (The Reclaimer had a top speed of maybe 18 knots6.) for speeding. It was just like the red light on a 60's model police car, constant flashing. The water was clear. There was something... a shape, craft … supporting the light. Nothing really we could make out. I called the OOD, reported the contact. It was late, maybe 2 a.m. We watched it change course a little. It continued to parallel us. Boatswain Xxxxx contacted Guam control since there were Russian trawlers operating in the area. Guam control acknowledged that they too were tracking something and were sending a wild weasel F-14 to investigate. I thought this odd to send a fast mover to inspect a slow underwater vessel. The jet came out of the sky like a greasy snowball [and] dropped to the deck. This thing [F-14] keyed on that [USO] and accelerated. The F-14 went to full afterburner right off the deck, pulling a rooster-tail7 behind it. It rattled the ship severely as it went by. This thing [USO] pulled easily ahead of the jet, crossed the horizon in seconds while underwater... no visible wake. It just... I mean this thing was FAST. Well, we just stood there. Wow, you know... what do ya say. We speculated about what it was. Guam told us it was a classified matter not to be reported or discussed. The Capt., LT8 CDR9 Xxxxxxxx, came on deck... took the log book... end of story. If you have any further questions, feel free to contact me at:

Deleted here for anonymity.-CF-                                                                                             

This reference: E-mail to me (Carl Feindt) dated January 21, 2008    

In response:

Hello Xxxxxx,

       This is a VERY interesting report. I would like to continue this as several points you make are very familiar to me. Do you have any documentation that you were a crew member on the ship? If so, I would appreciate a photocopy for my records.

       I will try to get back to you later with some questions, for instance, some of the abbreviations you used are not familiar to me (I was Air Force in '59-'60). In the meantime, anything and everything you can remember about this event could be important. So I recommend that you store it on your computer or 3.5 floppy so that it's not forgotten in the meantime.

Many thanks,

Carl Feindt      

ALSO  

Hello again Xxxxxx,

An important thing to me is the date. I realize this was a while back, but the year is the most important. Month next and day. If this is still out of reach in your memory, perhaps the season would give us a limit.

Thanks,

Carl     

E-Mail #2

       Thank you for your reply to my account. As I recall, I graduated diving school class 7407 [class of 1974 – 7th graduating class]. Mom died in April of that year, and I took an emergency leave from school so about early May or June of 74, I was assigned to Reclaimer, Pearl Harbor, HI. I do recall Xmas in Manila and standing a deck watch on New Years [eve] of 74, so Reclaimer sailed for WestPac around Sept. of 74. We steamed for 2 weeks to reach Guam. I only was in Guam once. We made port the day after the event, so I would put the date in late Sept. early Oct. of 74. I hope that helps. As to the crew at the time, here are some names that might help you narrow down if you can access military records. The CO10 was Capt. Xxx? Xxxxxxx, Xxxxxxxxx? The XO11 was Lt. Xxxx. My division officer was Ens.12 Xxxxxxxx.  The diving officer was Lt.(jg)13 Xxxxxx. CWO14 Xxxxx, later Lt.(jg) Xxxxx, was one of the engineers. CPO15 Xxxxxxx was the master diver. I ran the armory under GMG1 Xxxx Xxxxxx. The quartermasters at the time were QM16 SA  Xxxx [and] QMSN Xxxxxx Xxxxxxx. I believe QMSA Xxxx was on watch that night keeping the log. My son has researched the Reclaimer. It was during the time the ship still had a 40 mm cannon on the gun deck. I can’t seem to find any pics [pictures] of that period. The 40mm was later removed after WestPac and 2-20mm cannons installed port an[d] starboard. As this event occurred in the waning days of the Vietnam War, there was still a significant military presence in the western Pacific, and of course, the Russian trawlers roamed the seas off Guam - darn commies.

       Things I remember about the night Mr. Xxxxx queried me since I was a diver and familiar with ships as to [whether or not] it might be a sub, I told him, A) subs didn’t have that type of lights, B) subs go to great lengths to stay unseen; they don’t announce themselves like that, C) even with the classified bubble systems17, no sub can outrun a jet in full ab18. We discussed if it was some type of marine life. The flashing red light was definitely mechanical; it was exactly like a police light on an early model cop car, hence the Barney Fife comment. As to its speed, the Reclaimer was probably doing 14 knots. Watching a tomcat with its wings tucked back go past us in full ab is something truly to see. It went by about 75 yards off our starboard side. Time sort of slows down as this aircraft just blows past us; you [only] see [it] clearly for a second. The sound and shock wave was IMPRESSIVE. The other craft [USO] was leaving the jet faster than the jet [that] went past us. I remember the QM and [he] guesstimated its time to horizon and came up with the impossible number of like mach 5...somewhere around 4,000 mph. Given the speed of the jet at mach 2.2, this thing was about twice as fast as the jet. The fact that Guam was also tracking this thing and scrambled a plane that fast indicates they could "see" it somehow, radar/sonar/etc. The Reclaimer was an old oceangoing tug so it had no sonar and rather primitive radar, so visual lookouts were still required. Also, since the Reclaimer was a tug, I can't see how it would be [of] any interest to the Russians. As to its movements, this USO was capable of course movements. We changed course a couple of times to avoid it, [and] it just sat off our starboard side 15 or 20 yards the whole time. The water was clear, [and it was a] warm night so you could see "it" fairly well, and we did try to estimate how big it was, without success. The other odd thing was no wake at all even as it picked up speed, and the way it just sped away, it was able to go to... say mach 5 right now, no slowly picking up speed, just blink 100 yards, 1000 yards, a mile... going, going, gone, if that makes sense. The informal atmosphere on the bridge that night led to much speculation between myself and the OOD and the lookouts, the QM, etc.; we were all young sailors, first time into the briny deep as it were. The OOD was a veteran sailor, and none of us could come up with a good answer. As a diver I had done repairs, security swims, etc. on many vessels of the 7th fleet while in Pearl, had been aboard and around subs, so I was somewhat familiar with a lot of ships, but nothing like this. And again the Navy said it’s classified, forget it. Quote the navy “what you saw was just a light and nothing more.”

       I minored in astrophysics at UNM [University of New Mexico] years later. I wouldn’t say I’m a true believer, but I have witnessed enough odd things in my life to make me think humans don’t have all the answers. I know the Navy experimented with a forward bubble jet system. I have heard sea stories of subs reaching 90 knots. I have about 10,000 hours underwater and am familiar with what it would take to move at those speeds underwater, however, 90 knots is still a long way from mach 5 underwater. The pressure on a hull at that speed would be off the chart unless the craft had a way to disperse or "atomize" the water and create an "airspace" in front of it, kind of run between the raindrops.

[I would recommend reading my paper, which is on my homepage, entitled “Physical Influences of a UFO on Water,” which shows how easily this is accomplished. –CF]

       Although my knowledge of space and travel is rather limited, to me an interstellar craft would have to be the size of Texas, multigenerational, and once it got here, it would have to land. Return to home world would be rather out of the question. All of the UFOs/USOs seem too small to cover the vastness of space. Personally, while I acknowledge there are more than enough eyewitness accounts since Ezekiel in the days of the Bible to give credence to these crafts, I think they must come from somewhere closer than the next star, or to assume they are time travelers is not unreasonable. Do feel free to contact me if I can be of further assistance [phone number given] or use the [mailing] address I sent you. Have a wonderful day.                                            

This reference: E-mail to me (Carl Feindt) dated January 22, 2008    

E-Mail #3

In response to questions on the abbreviations:        

       I know what you mean. I hate abbreviations, and unless you know the jargon for them, they can be useless. This might help. Navy rates: GM, gunners mate, the last one, say GMG, GMT, GMM would be gunners mate-guns, tech, or missiles, QM quartermaster, SA, SN, ranks, E-2, E-3, and so forth. The DV denotes a diver, in those days hard hat diver. Fast mover is slang for jets; wild weasels were specialized jets with lots of com [communications] and other radar/search gear. OOD is officer of the deck, the highest ranking watch stander charged with keeping the ship on course, following the captain’s written night orders. The petty officer of the watch is under the OOD charged with giving orders to lookouts, helm, etc. The quartermaster of the watch sits on his butt and records events every 15 min. in the log book. Such was the mid-watch on an oceangoing tug at that time. Feel free to contact me if you have further questions.                                    

This reference: E-mail to me (Carl Feindt) dated January 22, 2008    

E-Mail #4

       I can see the confusion with the naval ranking system. It rather goes as follows for enlisted: seaman recruit, E-1, seaman apprentice E-2, seaman E-3, petty officer 3rd class E-4, PO-2 E-5, PO-1 E-6, etc. Often when a petty officer is not available, an E-3 is designated leading seaman for a period and tasked with minor command of underlings. Since the Reclaimer was small command and I was in a unique position as a diver, I often found myself helping the deck force with minor chores, watches etc.  As to DV, actually there is DV2 second class diver, qualified to 180 ft. on air, hard hat rigs, scuba, most general diving duties. I was a second class diver. DV1 is a first class diver (nothing to do with rank) qualified on mixed gas to 450 ft. The divers also wore greens instead of the blue jeans. As an E-2, seaman apprentice, I wore collar insignias instead of arm stripes.  The rank for [an] SA is 2 stripes. When turned into a collar insignia, it resembles naval LT, or army captain railroad tracks, and I was often saluted since not many knew what rank it was. Have a nice day.                                                                                                                           

This reference: E-mail to me (Carl Feindt) dated January 22, 2008    

E-Mail #5

       I read your changes and agree with them. As to position off Guam, we were just off Guam, probably in international waters maybe at the 15 mile limit just steaming in a circle waiting for first light to enter port. Bosun3 is a naval warrant rate; CWO-2, for example, would be the rank. Thank you for removing the colorful metaphor; I forget myself sometimes. As to the wild weasel designation, I believe they first employed F4 phantoms with "spy/com" gear. Later I understand they modified a few F-14's with similar systems. I know the Reclaimer saw action in Vietnam and Korea, I believe before my time. Do feel free to use my account in any way you see fit. Further, if you have a newsletter, I would be interested in receiving it. I am retired these days and have some free time. I do wish the sighting had been more dramatic such as the ones reported on in the History Channel show. Yes, I saw both airings of the show. It was the one I saw at Xmas that got me rethinking the event. It was the second one that I noted your email site. Sometimes getting a written communication across exactly takes several attempts. Since Guam was a hotbed of naval activity and flights, it was a good place to monitor many troop/ship/aircraft movements. Feel free to contact me further. Thank you.                                                                             

This reference: E-mail to me (Carl Feindt) dated January 25, 2008    

E-Mail #6

       The entire craft was submerged. The light was about 4 feet underwater. The entire craft was underwater. As to the microphones... hmmm... the diving navy was rather small. I knew a lot of the divers both ashore and on various salvage crafts during that time. There was something whispered about [something] called "projects." The best I could glean is that it involved placing deep listening devices or other electronic devices in various parts of the world. I think it involved divers delivered by submarines to places to plant devices. Oddly, divers that got involved with this endeavor were never seen again, perhaps transferred.  Who knows, but they kind of dropped off the planet.                                                                                                               

This reference: E-mail to me (Carl Feindt) dated February 15, 2008  

In response to this, UFO researcher Don Ledger e-mailed me the following:       

       As we know the underwater microphone network is no longer conjecture. The US spent 22 billion dollars over the years from the early 1950s to the 1980s installing a carpet of mikes in the world’s oceans. These mikes were responsible for pinpointing [audio triangulation] the location of Soviet nuclear "Boomer" that went down in the Pacific and then the CIA gave Hughes aerospace/industries a half billion dollars to build the Glomar Explorer which they hoped to use to recover it. They got the nose of it up and 9 Soviet seamen from 3.5 miles down. If you get a chance read "A Matter of Risk" by Roy Varner and Wayne Collier Ballentine Books Copyright 1978 ISBN 0-345-28639-1.The US navy spy Johnny Walker was arrested in the early 90s and it was discovered then that for 17 years he had been giving the encrypted codes for the stored navy data on foreign vessels to the KGB.

       The thing is if they were able to pinpoint the location of a sub hitting the bottom they then should have been able to read the noise of one tearing through the water. Water is a dense medium and sound carries for hundreds of miles so the mics surely would have picked up the hulls moving through the water. No other "earthly" assets or technology were available to track same other than the Reclaimer's sonar.                                                                                             

This reference: E-mail from Donald Ledger to me (Carl Feindt) dated February 19, 2008      

Note 1: Christmas Day 2007, History Channel played the show I was on called “Deep Sea UFOs.” This e-mail was sent after the same show had replayed on January 21, 2008.-CF-   

Note 2: OOD = Officer-of-the-Deck

http://www.history.navy.mil/books/OPNAV20-P1000/O.htm  

Note 3: Boatswain (bō’sən, rarely bōt'swān') n. 1. A subordinate officer of a vessel who has general charge of the rigging, anchors, etc., and whose business it is to pipe the crew to duty with his whistle, which is his badge. 2. On a fighting ship, a warrant officer, trained in seamanship. Also spelled bosun.        

Note 4: GMG/DV SN     

GMG = Gunners Mate-Guns

Reference: http://www.hazegray.org/faq/slang2.htm

            DV    = He discusses this above and says it's a diver, however the correct naval designation is DIV per: http://www.history.navy.mil/books/OPNAV20-P1000/D.htm

            SN    = A mariner or sailor.

                        (Abbr. SN) 1. A noncommissioned rank in the U.S. Navy or Coast Guard that is                                                 above seaman apprentice and below petty officer.

                                         2. One who holds the rank of seaman, seaman apprentice, or                                                      seaman recruit

Reference: http://www.answers.com/topic/seaman?cat=technology            

Note 5: SA = Seaman Apprentice        

Note 6: Knots to Miles per hour

18 Knots = 20.7 mph

14 Knots = 16.11 mph

90 Knots = 103.57 mph

http://www.militaryfactory.com/conversioncalculators/speed_knots_to_miles_per_hour.asp

Note 7: With thanks to UFO researcher, Donald Ledger:

       A rooster-tail is usually created on the water by a fast-moving boat. It is a spray that kicks up into the air behind the boat due to the converging trails coming off both sides of the boat forcing them upward into a tail. It could be construed as being 90 degrees or less to the direction of the boat in an upward direction.

     If a jet gets close enough to the water, the wing vortices kick up a spray of sorts behind the aircraft which could be called a rooster-tail.   

Note 8: Lt = Lieutenant

http://www.history.navy.mil/books/OPNAV20-P1000/L.htm

Note 9: CDR = Commander

http://www.history.navy.mil/books/OPNAV20-P1000/C.htm

Note 10: CO = Commanding Officer

http://www.history.navy.mil/books/OPNAV20-P1000/C.htm

Note 11: XO = Executive Officer

http://www.history.navy.mil/books/OPNAV20-P1000/X.htm

Note 12: Ens = Ensign

http://www.history.navy.mil/books/OPNAV20-P1000/E.htm

Note 13: Lt(jg) = Lieutenant (Junior Grade)

http://www.history.navy.mil/books/OPNAV20-P1000/L.htm

Note 14: CWO = Commissioned Warrant Officer or Communications Watch Officer

Note 15: CPO = Chief Petty Officer

http://www.history.navy.mil/books/OPNAV20-P1000/C.htm

Note 16: QM = Quartermaster

http://www.history.navy.mil/books/OPNAV20-P1000/Q.htm  

Note 17: bubble systems – See:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6701862.html

Note 18: ab = afterburners (witness’s abbreviation) 

UFOCAT PRN – NONE           

Pacific Ocean – Position unknown – Near Guam (Territory of Guam)

An organized unincorporated territory of the United States.

Guam               Latitude 13-26-40 N, Longitude 144-44-12 E (D-M-S)

Reference: http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic.

Pacific Ocean – United States, Honolulu, Hawaii

Pearl Harbor    Latitude 21-21-18 N, Longitude 157-58-20 W (D-M-S)

Reference: http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic.

Pacific Ocean – Philippine Islands

Manila              Latitude 14-36-15 N, Longitude 120-58-56 E (D-M-S)

Reference: http://gnswww.nga.mil/geonames/GNS/index.jsp

USS RECLAIMER’S HISTORY FOR THIS APPLICABLE PERIOD

Reclaimer then operated off Vietnam for the whole of 1970, entering Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, 17 March 1971. At Pearl Harbor Reclaimer underwent regular overhaul and, subsequent to overhaul, engaged in salvage and refresher training. In February 1972, she was re-deployed to WestPac, returning to Hawaii in late August. She remained in the Pearl Harbor area throughout 1972 and the first six months of 1973. In July 1973, she steamed westward again for deployment, spending the last six months of 1973 in the western Pacific. As of late January 1974, Reclaimer was making the passage from Apra, Guam, to Pearl Harbor.

History needed from 1974-present. (Per Wikipedia)

Reference and with thanks to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Reclaimer_(ARS-42)           

For more details on the ship see:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/37/3742.htm