Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 14:31:51 -0800
Subject: Recent letter of possible interest
From: Richard Haines <>
To: francis ridge <>

Hi Fran,
You recently posted an interesting sighting of August 1996 at
Hay Point, Queensland involving a train and angel-hair-like
substance.  I shared this report with a good friend of mine who
is technically competent but not particularly interested in UAP and
he sent back the attached comments. Feel free to use it any way
you see fit.  I have removed his name but got his permission to
share it.
All the best,
Dick H.

                             Conjecture about “Angel Hair” relative to Sighting of August 1996
                                           at Hay Point, Queensland, Australia

To:   Dick Haines
From:   R.T.
Rec’d.   22 January,  2016
Applying some sort of (crude!) logic to the question of the cobweb-like sheets:

1. From the latter part of the para., E/M jamming/disabling began before the cobweb-like substance was dropped, so that wasn't its purpose.  Disabling the radios and the locomotive's control system would be easy to do electronically even with today's (Earth!) technology, and not require any kind of physical contact with some material dropped from the craft.

2. The material could simply be waste matter.  Assuming (a big assumption!) that the occupants of the craft are living organisms of some kind in our knowledge base of carbon-based systems, waste products would be generated.

3. The cobweb-like sheets were unlikely for restraint of the targets (the people and the equipment), since there was no apparent attempt to restrain anything, or transport anything back into the craft.

4. The material could be a kind of marker or tracer--perhaps picked up on the skins or clothing of the humans, or even ingested, allowing them to be tracked well after the craft departed to other regions/star systems.

5. The cobweb-like sheets could be a type of probe for chemical analysis of objects in its target area.  In our technology, remote chemical analysis --without any kind of contact with the unknown material(s)--is still difficult.  For example our planetary probes have to dig up material and physically insert it into an analyzer.  Or if the material or object is giving off light (e.g. a star), we can spectrally analyze the light.  Or we can abrade or decompose (such as vaporize it with a laser or by applying heat to) a material and send the vapor into a chemical analyzer.  But for, say, a helicopter hovering a hundred feet over the ground, I know of no current means that WE have of determining the chemical composition of, say, a trash can sitting in an alley.  The "angel hair" may be a possibly-conductive matrix that, by physically contacting an area say x feet by y feet, and releasing chemicals--or (really high tech!) by bombarding all along its web what it is in touch with particles and doing a sort of backscatter analysis at every point)-- can chemically analyze the contents and return an x-y-plot of the chemical composition of the target area to the craft.  Data could flow along (and from) the web to the craft either by electrical or optical means.  To eliminate the "evidence" of the probing, the cobweb material evaporates.

My hunch would be no. 5, or maybe no. 4.

R. T.  
      Note:    I shared the Hay Point sighting report with my colleague  R. T. who has
                  an extensive background in physics and applied aerospace engineering
                   fields and received the above reply several days later.  He is not a student of
            UAP topics, has an open mind about them, and has never written on the topic.
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From: francis ridge <>
Date: Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:30 AM
Subject: [Current Encounters] August 1996; Hay Point, Queensland, Australia: Cat 7
August 1996; Hay Point, Queensland, Australia
3:00 AM. A cigar-shaped craft dropped a cloud of cobweb-like material on a Queensland railway terminus. The incident began when a 12-man work gang, loading coal at the Hay Point facility, downed tools to stare up at a mist-shrouded cigar shaped craft floating above them. As they watched, a cloud of cobweb-like material fell from the UFO. All the equipment immediately malfunctioned and the coal train lost its compressed air. One of the workers, Gary, said: "Near the middle of the cigar was a bubble-like protrusion with rectangular observation windows. I saw shadows standing in the viewports, looking down at the facility.  The craft had no wings. At its rear was a bank of what could have been jets. A dull hum came from the UFO---and when it passed directly above us, the radio went wild. Everyone started shouting at once. The next we knew, the craft dropped sheets of cobweb-like substance. When they tried to touch the stuff it turned into a watery liquid. After a minute or so, the thing flew away. The train still had no compressed air and they had to recharge it before work could go on." HC addendum Source: John Pinkney, "Australia's Strangest Mysteries, # 2"    Type: A
has been added to train folder and Cat 7 folder.