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Francis Ridge From: "Richard Hall"
<hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Fran, Dick 9/4/2003 -0500
From: "Jacobs, Robert" <jacobs@bumail.bradley.edu> To: francis ridge <nicap@insightbb.com Subject Re. Big Sur Case Mr. Ridge: I just happened across your website and found references to the "Big Sur Case" wherein you indicate that the report was "debunked" in the Skeptical Inquirer by "the commanding officer." This is not true. The commanding officer was Major Florenze J. Mansmann, now deceased, who verified my account of the incident right up to his death. I was in charge of the tracking site and saw the actual film, being one of only a handful of people who did so. Mr. Kingston A George most probably did NOT see the film we shot, as it was removed from Major Mansmann's custody by three men in civilian dress. If you are interested in learning more about this case, I would be happy to send you via snailmail a followup report that I wrote following the SI "debunking." You may believe that the incident has been explained. I do not, and I was there. Bob Jacobs, Ph.D. \ Professor « --------------------------------- Hi Bob, Please do send anything you can regarding this interesting case. I remember how I felt when it came down that certain members of our group were satisfied that the case was "explained". For that reason I left the incident on the site hoping more would eventually come out. I'm glad you found the report and I'm looking forward to the information. You may not be aware of this but I am also the coordinator of a nuclear connection investigating group/project that list just these types of incidents, over 200 so far. I hope we can put the Big Sur case back on that list. http://www.nicap.org/ncp/ncp.htm Francis Ridge NICAP Site Coordinator -------------------------
Feb 2001 Francis Ridge Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 10:21:07 -0500 Fran, The Big Sur case was debunked by the commanding officer
in an interview Reply-To: "Sign Historical Group"
<SHG@listbot.com> Hello Francis & the List, As for Big Sur, is there ANYONE in the US -- anyone on the list? -- who has actually READ the Skeptical Inquirer article???? To me the SI explanation seemed impressive and perfectly legitimate at the time. I am not otherwise impressed by the shallow arguments of the CSICOP gang of magicians and science writers, but this was an exception. I am sorry I cannot respect a 'ufology' that has closed it's eyes and ears to any and all counter arguments. I fear we will never gain respect that way. I am willing to scan the SI article and send a copy to anyone interested. It will take a few days before I get to the archives. (Sweden has a dreadfully cold winter weather these days so I won't dare the tour to the archives to fetch the SI copy until Monday or Tuesday). Anders Liljegren Date:
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 18:38:11 -0800 At 12:34 AM 2/4/2001 +0100, Anders Liljegren wrote: >As for Big Sur, is there ANYONE in the US -- anyone
on the list? -- who Anders, Yes. I haven't read it, myself, since I depend a lot on
others for this "Fran, The Big Sur case was debunked by the commanding officer
in an interview >I am sorry I cannot respect a 'ufology' that has
closed it´s eyes and I see no evidence that ufology has done this. The
tabloids have, but we >I am willing to scan the SI article and send a copy
to anyone interested. Please do, and email to me at: Fran From: legion@mira.net Hi Fran: I asked Barry Karr of CSICOP if we could post this
publically to Sorry about the strange date on this msg. ISP is playing up. Forwarded message:
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Inquirer_ Winter, 1993 (The full report now on file at NICAP Site office - Francis Ridge) |