TO: Colonel F. L. Dunn, ATI
Colonel Taylor is making a quick trip to Washington, this
afternoon. Before he left he ask that I get this information in your
Rex W. Smith
Asst. Public Information Officer
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Colonel F. L.
Date: 11 September 1951
FROM : MCF
Colonel Taylor is making a quick trip to Washington, thus after-
noon. Before he left he asked that I get this information
REX W. SMITH
Asst Public Information Officer
Flying Saucer report 11 September 1951
A P-33 Jet
fighter landed at Mitchell at 1145 yesterday, the 10th of September,
reported that they had seen in the sky over Sandy Hook a round object
moving at a
terrific rate of speed. With an arc XXXXX like motion it
of vision for about two minutes. They were traveling at 450 miles
an hour, at
a height of 20,000 feet. The object was approximately 8000 feet
them. They peeled off to take a closer look at it, and chased it
Park, whence it veered out to sea. They believe that the sun's
reflected from the object because it had that effect, that is it
whatever it was. They reported this to operations officer when
somehow it got to the ears of one of the local newspapers on Long
T: Yes, you made no release on it, is that correct?
B: I made no release on it, said nothing, but then I got the
I gave them the facts as reported to me by the pilot. The pilots
no mention of the fact that they saw a flyings saucer, but merely
that they had seen a strange object, moving at a speed they estimate to
be in excess of 900 miles an hour, in an arc-like direction, over Sandy
Hook. In response to the press inquiries, we gave the facts as
to us by the two pilots, who were by name Lt. W. Rogers, who was
the ship at the time and Capt. B. Ballard, Jr., both of the Fighter
Interceptor Wing at Dover.
Col T: Yes,
I'm getting it, go ahead.
Maj B: I
think I've given you the basic facts of the matter. I don't know
word reached the newspapers here, but as required by regulations, when I
was asked to check the story by the press, I checked it, I found out the
report was true and I released the story, as given to me by the pilots.
T: All right, may I ask you at this point whether you
B: I talked to one of them on the phone, but I didn't see them.
T: Was he able to give you any additional description of the
object, as to
it's apparent shape, methods of propulsion, possible construction, and
B: No, he said it was a round object which reflected the sun's
dicating a metallic surface. That xxxxxx supports simply my inter-
polation, - they say it reflected rays - That it was moving in an
direction, they said it was an arc-like movement, not straight, - in an
arc, and that when they got approximately 8000 feet from it, it veered,
and went out to sea and vanished completely. Now I was told by
that he communicated with one of the radar set-ups in this vicinity, and
asked them to check, and he told me that the response was entirely nega-
tive. Nothing appeared on the screen.
T: The radar unit did check during the time of operation and did
anything appearing on the radar scope.
Maj B: That
as I remember Lt Rogers conversation with me, - at the time I didn't
make any particular note of it but it has since come up, and seems to be
important and I believe that's true. Now, Colonel, perhaps you'll
to talk to one of those pilots at Dover. They are at Dover today.
T: They are assigned to a fighter interceptor wing at
Dover? Is that Dover,
Delaware? Dover, Maryland
B: I believe it's Delaware Sir, but I'm not certain
T: Yes. What is the designation their unit, do you know?
B: It was 143th Fighter Interceptor Unit.
Col T: One
B: 148th Fighter Interceptor, yes, - either Wing or Group.
T: All right, - we are very glad indeed to have this
information and we'll
evaluate it here, one reason I wanted to get a complete report from you
so that I can turn it over to our Intelligence people here. And
get in touch with you if we would like to ask you to take any more
B: All right Sir.
T: Meanwhile, I don't see anything else you could have done
in the circum-
stances, concerning the Press. I'm glad to know that no release
initiated, but I can easily
B: I assure you Colonel that my office said nothing about this
until they were queried by the newspapers.
T: That's good. I understand that and that's a very good
thing, - I'm
glad you handled it that way. So we will let you know if there is
official action to it here, - meanwhile if you get any additional infor-
mation please call me again.
B: Right Sir, - now can I give you my extension in case you need
T: If you will Sir, please.
B: It's extension 3115, or 2221. My full name is Major John
T: All right, - thank you very much indeed.
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