Part 2- 20: The Real Work Begins



 
Much work in the area of transcriptions (which were presented as text when the documents actually were discovered and posted in this report), data-processing and preliminary analyses begins. Of particular importance is the transcription of the full accident report by Jean Waskiewicz.

July 1, 2006

Jean Waskiewicz:

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July 3, 2006

Fran Ridge:
Brad, Didn't Clements claim Mantell violated protocol by not switching to "B" channel when gave him hand signals? And what channel did the pilots use when they were in flight from Georgia?
http://www.nicap.org/bb/MAXW-PBB3-754.jpg
says B channel was out, A was weak. I thought the accident report showed a maint doc saying B was out BEFORE the ferry mission. Not sure they fixed it. And what channel did he talk to the Godman Tower on?

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July 5, 2006

Brad Sparks:
I can't really find anything I need when I need it, hence nothing is getting done.  Can someone reorganize the Mantell Directory so that there is a simple list of Witness Statements with BB Archive links to the Statements, with only Witness last names, NOTHING ELSE (no long-winded doc titles which are irrelevant), except maybe ranks, something like this (BUT COMPLETE): (samples given)

Fran Ridge:
We're working on that, too, the statements by each. But the rest will stay up because it shows who found what documents and when.

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July 6, 2006

Brad Sparks:
I got the full PDF from Jean so that's fine.  It's the rest that is so scattered I can't spend time right now to finish my report on Mantell.

Fran Ridge:
Here's where we are on the acc rep transcripts
http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell_accrep_excerpts.htm

Brad Sparks:
This is extremely helpful except for two things: 1.  I was never told about this transcription until just now. 2.  These are PDF's instead of text so they are not searchable on the Web and when I laboriously copy the text into a Word doc I lose all the spacings between paragraphs so the text looks cramped and difficult to read. Can Jean or you provide a Word doc with this text with all the spacings? Is it possible to get a list of all BB docs with Godman Tower conversations with Mantell and crew and then Word document transcripts of those reports?  These are like Blackwell's report and include Godman Commander Col. Hix, Lt Orner, Lt Col Wood, and others.  Also there is a document that compares Tower / P-51 flight conversations. 

Jean Waskiewicz:
Brad,  I have just started doing some transcriptions in the last couple of days. I have attached the Word versions of those already finished and I will continue to send the Word versions to you as I finish them. I am in the process of going through PBB3-657-799.
(Frames 657-666 already posted in Part 2-2 - Fran Ridge) which I have downloaded and looking for more documents that relate to each personality involved in this incident. I will start looking for the specific documents you need. If there are any others you need transcribed, just give me the page/link and I will get it done for you.


Brad Sparks:
Fran, Previously you said there is no rush.  As you know I'm under the gun on a major project this week.
http://www.nicap.org/mantell/mantell_sparks_july6.htm

Fran Ridge:
There isn't. Take your time. Drew can wait on phase three and I'll just give him our status. This is for US, not for THEM.

Jean Waskiewicz:
Brad and Fran, I have created a complete cross-reference of the 127 pages in the Accident Report. This shows which pages are in the package more than once; includes a description of what is on each page and if the page has a signature on it. I hope this helps in our efforts. I have cross-referenced a number of the pages to the Maxwell Roll 3 entries. I will go back and try to find the pages I did not do yet to see if they have a pages in the BB rolls.

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July 7, 2006

Brad:
Thanks Jean. Great work!  So it looks like there is no witness statement from Hammond, very suspicious. Does this look like all of the Mantell files in the BB Archive or do you know of others you have to get to?  I think there is a whole file on Mantell in the Other/SIGN microfilm rolls. Also there seems to be Mantell material mixed in with Lockbourne (and maybe Clinton Co. AFB) cases.

Jean Waskiewicz:
That is my next step in this process. I have started going through the rolls available online to find other documents relating to this case. I will finish the Maxwell roll and then I will go to the Sign roll 1 which I had already had a cursory look at last week. I will examine the pages already on the Mantell dir page and include those in the index as appropriate. I know there are more and I will move on as I finish each roll. As I go through this process, I will be creating an index like the one I just sent. I did not come across any new pages with conversations between Godman and the pilots when I finished the index, but I will keep this in mind as I go forward. I understand that the Mantell dir page is getting difficult to follow as it gets larger. Do you think we need some type of index or maybe some type of TOC that would make it easier to just find what a person is interested in rather than just looking at all of the entries as they are on the page currently?

Brad Sparks:
What would help most is to reduce the doc titles to a couple words each and organize them by category. (Examples sent to Jean)

Dan Wilson:
Statement of Lt. Paul I. Orner. Following is an account of the sighting of unknown objects from the Control Tower on January 7, 1948 at Godman Field.
http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107docs21.htm
USAF-SIGN1-379-380 (See Part 2-6)

Dan Wilson:
Statement by Captain Cary Carter, USAF, on duty at Godman Field on January 7, 1948, as an Operation Officer
http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107docs20.htm
USAF-SIGN1-378

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July 10, 2006

Dan Wilson:
"There are no further theodolite readings available at this base. Briefs of daily weather requested as follows": Signed John W. Mitchell, Colonel, USAF
Commanding.
http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107docs23.htm
MAXW-PBB3-700 from MAXW-PBB3-700-702

Dan Wilson:
Transcript of Long Distance Telephone Conversation, 13 January 1948, 0920, Mr. Loedding, Air Intelligence, Wright Field Called, Col. R. O. Davis Jr., Commanding Officer 332 Fighter Wing, LAAB
http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107docs22.htm
MAXW-PBB3-696

TRANSCRIPT OF LONG DISTANCE TELEPHONE CONVERSATION

                                                                                                       13 January 1948

                                                                                                        0920

 

Mr. Loedding, Kembrook 7111 – 21204, Air Intelligence, Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio

Called

Col. N. O. Davis, Jr., Commanding Officer, 332d Fighter Wing, LAAB, Cols 17, 0.

Subject:  Request for Information re: objects in the sky

Mr. L.:              Colonel Davis, this is Mr. Loedding, Air Intelligence, Wright Field. I understand that a conversation took place January 7, Wednesday, between Godman Field, Kentucky and your base at Lockbourne regarding an unidentified object.

Col. D.:             If I did I am not aware of it Mr. Loedding. I read about it in the Air Force Times yesterday. A statement about Col. Hicks saying something looked like a flying saucer. That is all I know about it.

Mr L.:               Capt. Dusler said there was a call from Lockbourne Air Base and they were assisting in this thing.

Col. D.:             I personally know nothing of that Mr. Loedding.

Mr. L.:              I wonder if you could make an investigation - and think if somebody in the tower did see it,  maybe you could call me back and I could come there and talk to somebody. Like to interrogate them.

Col. D.:             Whether anybody on this station saw a foreign object in the air -

Mr. L.:              and whether they discussed it with anyone – particularly Godman Field. If you call me and I will drive over and talk to them.

Col. D.:             Shall I call you in case I don’t find anybody?

Mr. L.:              It would be a good idea to tell me what you find out. My number is 21Z04, Kembrook 7111,  Wright Field.

Col. D.:             I will be glad to do that Mr. Loedding.

Mr. L.:              I will appreciate it, colonel. What is your extension?

Col. D.:             Fr. 7-5711 Extension 201.

Mr. L.:              Thank you very much, sir.      

Dan Wilson:
Fran Ridge: Shows as of Oct 1948 they were still trying to find out what Mantell was chasing. We have better docs KO-ing Venus (Deyarmond) so this is just ftr.
MAXW-PBB3-697-698 

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July 11, 2006

Dan Wilson:
Request for complete theodolite readings and resume of qualifications of individual who made the readings. Request for further briefs on daily weather at Godman from 1 January to 15 January 1948
http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107docs25.htm
MAXW-PBB3-699
 
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July 22, 2006

Brad Sparks:
Popular Science, May 1948, "Are Secret Balloons the Flying Saucers?"
http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell_sparks_PopScience.htm

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July 23, 2006

Dan Wilson:
"Pilots Chase Disc", Ky. State Highway Patrol Officer Sgt. John T. Worful / 1948 (See text in Part 2-14)
http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107press1.htm

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July 24, 2006

Dan Wilson:
Statement by Colonel Guy F. Hix, USAF, Commanding, Godman Field, Fort Knox, Kentucky. 9 January 1948. At approximately 1300 hours a call came to this Headquarters from State Police, reporting a flying object near Elizabethtown, south of Godman Field.
http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107docs33.htm
USAF-SIGN1-381 (Text in  Part 2-3)

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July 25, 2006

Jean Waskiewicz:
As I was working on Blackwell's statement, I came across this that you should check for more mention of Police and Very large object
http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107docs31.htm
USAF-SIGN1-280 (See text in Part 2-3)

Dan Wilson:
Report of an observation of an Unidentified Object in the skies above Godman Field on Jan 8, hundreds of feet in diameter, and which could not have been the Skyhook now placed by researchers at 150 miles away over Nashville, again confirms what state police and other callers also reported. The following report is dated 9 January 1948.-  E. GARRISON WOOD
http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107docs30.htm
USAF-SIGN1-376 (See text in Part 2-3)

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July 26, 2006

Jean Waskiewicz:
This is one of the many articles I transcribed. This one also states that only one flier had oxygen.
http://www.nicap.org/images/1948_1_9_CourierJournal._2.jpg

Fran Ridge:
Mantell update filmed June 28 aired this date.
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July 27, 2006

Dan Wilson:
This is weird.  I was just thinking about a program I saw once (I think it was a Sightings Program) where some investigators went to the crash scene and they found higher than normal radiation readings there. This was years after the crash. Fran wrote: The AF NEVER went to the Mantell family. They found out from the neighbors! That is suspicious in itself. Are they hiding something?

Jean Waskiewicz:
Dan,  I used to tape the Sightings show in the 1990s when it first aired and I just happened to have both episodes they did on Mantell. The VHS tapes are very old now but I was able to extract the episode and burn them to CD. The sound quality is very bad but if you use earphones to listen you can hear what is being said. I can mail you a copy of them if you want. I cant upload them to the website because they are too large. This is how we know that the AF never spoke to the Mantell family. It is on these recordings. If you don't have speakers for your PC yet you can plug earphones into it and listen that way. There should be a headphone jack on the actual box somewhere.

Jean Waskiewicz:
I have used the sign team list of people and a couple of others I've added to enlist their aid in finding information regarding possible radar detection in the Mantell incident. The document Brad has cited was of interest to me earlier but I didn't quite make the connection. I think we might all have missed the potential here. Brad has some suggestions on how we might go into this. We're open. The page we started is, at this time, unlisted and confidential, and a first draft.

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July 28, 2006

Jean Waskiewicz:
I came across this as I was looking for more articles at the Newspaper Archive site and just thought it was interesting and also curious as to why this would come out when it did. I have attached the article. It is from the Lima, Ohio News from Aug 21, 1952.

http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell_ins1952.htm


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July 29, 2006

Brad Sparks:
Mighty interesting!  Someone got a copy of the Mantell Accident Report released in some form in Aug 1952.  I don't think anyone in UFOlogy knew about it.  How did you find it?  There are some confusions in it but overall most of it looks like straight out of the witness statements (except the stringing together of one long quote from Mantell, etc.).

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Aug. 10, 2006

Jean Waskiewicz:
The Mantell Incident - Events on 7 Jan 1948 - Official Statements by Incident Number
http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/Mantell_Incident_Statements.htm

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2007

Aug. 21, 2007

Robert Swiatek:
Not another controversy??  I'll give you a call tonight or tomorrow to discuss this.  The report at issue is yours since you are the prime writer and force behind it (on behalf of the Fund, I asked you if it were something you could do, as you recall).  You're right:  if others contribute, yes, they should be given due credit, but principal authorship resides in yourself.  Obviously, others can write their own reports over their own names if they so choose and market them accordingly.

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Sept. 6, 2007

Dan Wilson:
Further request status of investigation promised by A. C. Loedding, Technical Assistant, Technical Intelligence Division by Captain James Duesler. 
http://www.nicap.org/mantell/mantell_wilson_loedding.htm
NARA-PBB2-870

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Sept. 14, 2007

Fran Ridge;
The real work now begins. Going over everything we have collected all these months and getting some people within the A-Team, and some independent analysts on the outside, to give us their opinions and analyses.  Part Three will provide those reports. Part 3-1 will be a summation of what we found and our conclusions based on those findings.  Persons submitting their analyses in a timely manner will be provided space in the report which will be printed by the Fund for UFO Research. Later analysts can submit their papers separately, however the online version of this report scheduled for released one year after the FUFOR publication will have all the current submittals available.

Francis Ridge
NICAP A-Team Director




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