Part 2- 20: The Real Work Begins
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Much work in the area of
transcriptions (which were presented as text when the documents
actually were discovered and posted in this report), data-processing
and preliminary analyses
begins. Of particular importance is the transcription of the
full accident report by Jean Waskiewicz.
July 1, 2006 Jean Waskiewicz: Accident Report Documents http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell_accrep_excerpts.htm ------------------------------- July 3, 2006 Fran Ridge: Brad, Didn't Clements claim
Mantell
violated protocol by not switching to "B" channel when gave him hand
signals? And what channel did the pilots use when they were in flight
from Georgia?
http://www.nicap.org/bb/MAXW-PBB3-754.jpg says B channel was out, A was weak. I thought the accident report showed a maint doc saying B was out BEFORE the ferry mission. Not sure they fixed it. And what channel did he talk to the Godman Tower on? ------------------------------- July 5, 2006 Brad Sparks: I can't really find anything I
need
when I need it, hence nothing is getting done. Can someone
reorganize the Mantell Directory so that there is a simple list of Witness
Statements with BB Archive links
to the Statements, with only
Witness last names, NOTHING ELSE
(no long-winded doc titles which
are irrelevant), except maybe
ranks, something like this (BUT
COMPLETE): (samples given) Fran Ridge: We're working on that, too, the
statements by each. But the rest will stay up because it shows who
found what documents and when. ---------------------------------- July 6, 2006 Brad Sparks:
I got the full PDF
from
Jean so that's fine. It's the rest that is so scattered I can't
spend time right now to finish my report on Mantell.
Fran Ridge:
Here's where we are
on the
acc rep transcripts http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell_accrep_excerpts.htm Brad Sparks: This is extremely helpful except
for two
things: 1. I was never told about this transcription until just
now. 2. These are PDF's instead of text so they are not
searchable on the Web and when I laboriously copy the text into a Word
doc I lose all the spacings between paragraphs so the text looks
cramped and difficult to read. Can Jean or you provide a Word doc with
this text with all the spacings? Is it possible to get a list of all BB
docs with Godman Tower conversations with Mantell and crew and then
Word document transcripts of those reports? These are like
Blackwell's report and include Godman Commander Col. Hix, Lt Orner, Lt
Col Wood, and others. Also there is a document that compares
Tower / P-51 flight conversations. Jean Waskiewicz:
Brad, I have
just
started doing some transcriptions in the last couple of days. I have
attached the Word versions of those already finished and I will continue
to send the Word versions to you as I finish
them.
I am in the process of going through
PBB3-657-799. (Frames 657-666 already posted in Part 2-2 - Fran Ridge) which I have downloaded and looking for more documents that relate to each personality involved in this incident. I will start looking for the specific documents you need. If there are any others you need transcribed, just give me the page/link and I will get it done for you. Brad Sparks:
Fran, Previously you
said
there
is no rush. As you know I'm under the gun on a major project this
week. http://www.nicap.org/mantell/mantell_sparks_july6.htm Fran Ridge:
There isn't. Take
your
time. Drew can wait on phase three and I'll just give him our status.
This is for US, not for THEM. Jean Waskiewicz: Brad and Fran, I have created a
complete cross-reference of the 127 pages in the Accident Report.
This shows which pages are in the package more than once; includes a
description of what is on each page and if the page has a signature on
it. I hope this helps in our efforts. I have cross-referenced a number
of the pages to the Maxwell Roll 3 entries. I will go back and try to
find
the pages I did not do yet to see if they have a pages in the BB rolls. ---------------------------------July 7, 2006 Brad: Thanks Jean. Great work! So
it
looks like there is no witness statement from Hammond, very suspicious.
Does this look like all of the Mantell files in the BB Archive or do
you know of others you have to get to? I think there is a whole
file on Mantell in the Other/SIGN microfilm rolls. Also there seems to
be Mantell material mixed in with Lockbourne (and maybe Clinton Co.
AFB) cases. Jean Waskiewicz: That is my next step in this
process. I
have started going through the rolls available online to find other
documents relating to this case. I will finish the Maxwell roll and
then I will go to the Sign roll 1 which I had already had a cursory
look at last week. I will examine the pages already on the Mantell dir
page and include those in the index as appropriate. I know there are
more and I will move on as I finish each roll. As I go through this
process, I will be creating an index like the one I just sent. I did
not come across any new pages with conversations between Godman and the
pilots when I finished the index, but I will keep this in mind as I go
forward. I understand that the Mantell dir page is getting difficult to
follow as it gets larger. Do you think we need some type of index or
maybe some type of TOC that would make it easier to just find what a
person is interested in rather than just looking at all of the entries
as they are on the page currently? Brad Sparks:What would help most is to
reduce the
doc titles to a couple words each and organize them by category.
(Examples sent to Jean) Dan Wilson: Statement of Lt. Paul I. Orner.
Following is an account of the sighting of unknown objects from the
Control Tower on January 7, 1948 at Godman Field. Dan Wilson:http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107docs21.htm USAF-SIGN1-379-380 (See Part 2-6) Statement by Captain Cary Carter,
USAF,
on duty at Godman Field on January 7, 1948, as an Operation Officer http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107docs20.htm USAF-SIGN1-378 ------------------------------ July 10, 2006 Dan Wilson: "There are no further theodolite
readings available at this base. Briefs of daily weather requested as
follows": Signed John W. Mitchell, Colonel, USAF Commanding. http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107docs23.htm MAXW-PBB3-700 from MAXW-PBB3-700-702 Dan Wilson: Transcript of Long Distance
Telephone
Conversation, 13 January 1948, 0920, Mr. Loedding, Air Intelligence,
Wright Field Called, Col. R. O. Davis Jr., Commanding Officer
332 Fighter Wing, LAAB http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107docs22.htm MAXW-PBB3-696 TRANSCRIPT OF LONG DISTANCE TELEPHONE CONVERSATION
13
January 1948
0920
Mr. Loedding, Kembrook 7111 –
21204, Air Intelligence, Wright
Field, Dayton, Ohio Called
Col. N. O. Davis, Jr.,
Commanding Officer, 332d Fighter Wing,
LAAB, Cols 17, 0.
Subject: Request
for
Information re: objects in the sky
Mr. L.: Colonel Davis, this is Mr. Loedding, Air Intelligence, Wright Field. I understand that a conversation took place January 7, Wednesday, between Godman Field, Kentucky and your base at Lockbourne regarding an unidentified object.
Col. D.:
If I did I am not aware of it Mr.
Loedding. I read about it in the Air Force Times yesterday. A statement
about Col. Hicks saying something looked like a flying saucer. That is
all I
know about
it.
Mr L.:
Capt. Dusler said there was a call
from Lockbourne Air Base and they were assisting in this thing.
Col. D.:
I personally know nothing of that
Mr. Loedding.
Mr. L.:
I wonder if you could make an
investigation - and think if somebody in the tower did see it, maybe
you could call me back and I could come there and talk to somebody.
Like to interrogate
them.
Col. D.:
Whether anybody on this station saw
a foreign object in the air -
Mr. L.:
and whether they discussed it with
anyone – particularly Godman Field. If you call me and I will
drive over and talk to them.
Col. D.:
Shall I call you in case I don’t
find anybody?
Mr. L.:
It would be a good idea to tell me
what you find out. My number is 21Z04, Kembrook 7111, Wright Field.
Col. D.:
I will be glad to do that Mr.
Loedding.
Mr. L.:
I will appreciate it, colonel. What
is your extension?
Col. D.:
Fr. 7-5711 Extension 201.
Mr. L.:
Thank you very much, sir.
Dan Wilson:
Fran Ridge: Shows as of Oct 1948
they
were still trying to find out what Mantell was chasing. We have better
docs KO-ing Venus (Deyarmond) so this is just ftr.
MAXW-PBB3-697-698
------------------------------ July 11, 2006 Dan Wilson: Request for complete theodolite
readings and resume of qualifications of individual who made the
readings. Request for further briefs on daily weather at Godman from 1
January to 15 January 1948 http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107docs25.htm MAXW-PBB3-699 ---------------------------- July 22, 2006 Brad Sparks: Popular Science, May 1948, "Are
Secret
Balloons the Flying Saucers?" http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell_sparks_PopScience.htm ---------------------------- July 23, 2006 Dan Wilson: "Pilots Chase Disc", Ky. State
Highway
Patrol Officer Sgt. John T. Worful / 1948 (See text in Part 2-14) http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107press1.htm ---------------------------- July 24, 2006 Dan Wilson: Statement by Colonel Guy F. Hix,
USAF,
Commanding, Godman Field, Fort Knox, Kentucky. 9 January 1948. At
approximately 1300 hours a call came to this Headquarters from State
Police, reporting a flying object near Elizabethtown, south of Godman
Field. http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107docs33.htm USAF-SIGN1-381 (Text in Part 2-3) ---------------------------- July 25, 2006 Jean Waskiewicz: As I was working on Blackwell's
statement, I came across this that you should check for more mention of
Police and Very large object http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107docs31.htm USAF-SIGN1-280 (See text in Part 2-3) Dan Wilson: Report of an observation of an
Unidentified Object in the skies above Godman Field on Jan 8, hundreds
of feet in diameter, and which could not have been the Skyhook now
placed by researchers at 150 miles away over Nashville, again confirms
what state police and other callers also reported. The following report
is dated 9 January 1948.- E. GARRISON WOOD http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/mantell480107docs30.htm USAF-SIGN1-376 (See text in Part 2-3) ---------------------------- July 26, 2006 Jean Waskiewicz: This is one of the many articles
I
transcribed. This one also states that only one flier had oxygen. http://www.nicap.org/images/1948_1_9_CourierJournal._2.jpg Fran Ridge: Mantell
update filmed June 28 aired
this date. July 27, 2006 Dan Wilson: This is weird. I was just
thinking about a program I saw once (I think it was a Sightings
Program) where some investigators went to the crash scene and they
found higher than normal radiation readings there. This was years after
the crash. Fran wrote: The AF NEVER went to the Mantell family. They
found out from the neighbors! That is suspicious in itself. Are they
hiding
something? Jean Waskiewicz: Dan, I used to tape the
Sightings show in the 1990s when it first aired and I just happened to
have both episodes they did on Mantell. The VHS tapes are very old now
but I was able to extract the episode and burn them to CD. The sound
quality is very bad but if you use earphones to listen you can hear
what is being said. I can mail you a copy of them if you want. I cant
upload them to the website because they are too large. This is how
we know that the AF never spoke to the Mantell family. It is on these
recordings. If you don't have speakers for your PC yet you can plug
earphones into it and listen that way. There should be a headphone jack
on the actual box somewhere. Jean Waskiewicz: I have used the sign team list
of
people and a couple of others I've added to enlist their aid in finding
information regarding possible radar detection in the Mantell
incident. The document Brad has cited was of interest to me earlier but
I didn't quite make the connection. I think we might all have missed
the potential here. Brad has some suggestions on how we might go into
this. We're open. The page we started is, at this time, unlisted and
confidential, and a first draft.
------------------------------ July 28, 2006 Jean Waskiewicz: I came across this as I was
looking
for more articles at the Newspaper Archive site and just thought it was
interesting and also curious as to why this would come out when it
did. I have attached the article. It is from the Lima, Ohio News from
Aug 21, 1952.
July 29, 2006 Brad Sparks: Mighty interesting! Someone
got
a copy of the Mantell Accident Report released in some form in Aug
1952. I don't think anyone in UFOlogy knew about it. How
did you find it? There are some confusions
in it but overall most of it looks like straight out of the witness
statements (except the stringing together of one long quote from
Mantell, etc.). ------------------------------- Aug. 10, 2006 Jean Waskiewicz: The Mantell Incident - Events on
7 Jan
1948 - Official Statements by Incident Number http://www.nicap.org/docs/mantell/Mantell_Incident_Statements.htm ------------------------------ 2007 Aug. 21, 2007 Robert Swiatek: Not another controversy??
I'll
give you a call tonight or
tomorrow to discuss this. The report at issue is yours since
you are the prime writer and force behind it (on behalf of the Fund, I
asked you if it were something you could do, as you recall).
You're right: if others contribute, yes, they should be given due
credit, but principal authorship resides in yourself. Obviously,
others can
write their own reports over their own names if they so choose and
market them accordingly. ------------------------------ Sept. 6, 2007 Dan Wilson: Further request status of
investigation
promised by A. C. Loedding, Technical Assistant, Technical Intelligence
Division by Captain James Duesler. http://www.nicap.org/mantell/mantell_wilson_loedding.htm NARA-PBB2-870 ------------------------------- Sept. 14, 2007 Fran Ridge; The real work now begins. Going
over everything we have collected all
these months and getting some people within the A-Team, and some
independent analysts on the outside, to give us their opinions and
analyses. Part Three will provide those reports. Part 3-1 will be
a summation of what we found and our conclusions based on those
findings. Persons submitting their analyses in a timely manner
will be provided space in the report which will be printed by the Fund
for UFO Research. Later analysts can submit their papers separately,
however the online version of this report scheduled for released one
year after the FUFOR publication will have all the current submittals
available.
Francis Ridge NICAP A-Team Director
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