of taped interview held at Bergstom Air
Force Base Law Library Building 2102, 17
August 1981, between Betty Cash, Vicki
Landrum, Colby Landrum and representatives
of the United States Air Force in the
persons of Captain John Camp, Acting Staff
Judge Advocate, Captain Terry Davis, Claims
Officer, and Miss Pat Wolf, Assistant Claims
COMMENT by CUFONSM
We are very lucky to have been provided a
copy of this tape by Betty Cash herself.
The Cash - Landrum case is undisputedly one
of the classic UFO sighting/physical trace
cases. It assumes great importance
because of the traces left behind by the
unknown object in the form of radiation
effects on the three witnesses and their
car. SOMETHING real caused the terrible
effects. it is sure that their
suffering is real.
Important also is the witnesses' reports of
many US military helicopters in the
immediate vicinity of the unknown object and
the official denials of any government
knowledge of the incident.
This case has been widely written about,
and has been the subject of a number of TV
specials. The sighting has been
recreated for least three TV programs.
This interview was recreated under the
supervision of Betty Cash for the program
"Unsolved Mysteries." In that
recreation, a map is featured which already
has a pin in it when Betty and Vickie arrive
at the location of the incident. This
was noted by both Betty and Vickie.
This tape does not agree with that.
True, the beginning of the interview when
all were entering the room is not on the
tape, but neither is the pin mentioned when
Betty and Vickie are asked to locate the
site of the incident on a map.
Draw your own conclusions, but note that
all three witnesses have suffered terribly,
and still do not have any real answers to
what it was that they were exposed to.
... Jim Klotz CUFONSM
Dale Goudie Information Director
Conventions used in the transcription:
Davis, Capt. USAF
Camp, Capt. USAF
A comma (,) indicates a short pause,
ellipsis (...) indicates a longer
Comments such as attempts to convey
inflection and such are in parentheses (
NOTE: All names and such are spelled
phonetically when confirmed spellings not
available. All effort was made to give
the same sense of emphasis present in the
tape. No other claims of accuracy are
made or should be inferred; this is merely
the best transcription that we could make
from the tape available.
This recording was provided to Dale Goudie,
Director, UFO Reporting and Information
Service by Betty Cash. Transcribed by
Jim Klotz, CUFONSM
||... Captain Davis
here, who is our chief claims...
He's our Claims Officer for the base
to be allowed to just take our
little meeting down here on a tape
recorder... do y'all have any
objection to that?
I have none.
||OK. Now I'll ask
you some rather ridiculous
questions, just remember that its so
that maybe a year from now if we
ever had to listen to this tape
again, we would know who all was
here and what was going on, what's
it about, OK?
||Let the record
reflect that we're having a meeting
in the Law Library at Building 2102,
17 August 1981 at 1040 hours and
present is Captain John Camp, the
Acting Staff Judge Advocate, Captain
Terry Davis, the Claims Officer,
Miss Pat Wolf, Assistant Claims
Officer, and Ma'am, I'll ask you to
identify yourselves as well.
And where is your address, where
do you live?
Route 1 Box 127B, Dayton Texas.
OK, and you're accompanied by
Vicki Landrum. Is she a relative
I was in the incident...
... (continuing) and so was Colby
|OK, why don't you
go ahead and give me your full name
and your address as well.
My name is Vicki Landrum and I
live at 506 West Clayton, Dayton
OK... And ah... Colby...
He can tell his own.
OK, Colby, who is your parents
and where do you live?
I live at 506 West Clayton too.
OK, And how old are you?
You're seven years old?
I'm going to be eight in January.
Eight in January, OK.
How do you spell your last name?
||OK, Now... I
believe according to your earlier
conversation that, ah, you had
experienced a UFO sighting and
supposedly had received either some
injury or certain contact from that.
Ah, Ms. Cash would you start off
first and tell me exactly the date
and what happened and where you were
at and so forth?
||Yes. We... it was
on Farm Market Road 1485 between New
Caney and Huffman approximately
between nine and nine-thirty at
night on December the twenty-ninth,
|OK, Now let me ask
you would you please ah, spell those
BC: N-E-W C-A-N-E-Y
||OK. Now in front
of you is a Texas map, can you
locate this ah, somewhere in the
proximity of ah, where this
||If my glasses will
work well enough. I've had three
pair since this happened to me and I
still can't see that well.
(pause... BC and VL obviously
looking over map, discussing
quietly, general tone obvious, not
clear enough to transcribe)
... break in recording...
||We had a brief
break in the record there just to
afford Ms. Cash an opportunity to
try to locate the location of the
sighting on a Texas map, but because
of the lack of detail of the map,
she was unable to find it. Is this
area northeast of Houston? Is that a
fair statement to say? OK, Miss Wolf
is... can you indicate some of the
other towns close to the area?
|BC & VL
talking together over map)
North west, it's ah...
North Crosby, Humboldt...
|| Yeah, ah,
it's due north of Humboldt, New
Caney is due north of Humboldt, and
New Caney and Huffman ah, Huffman is
|OK, what... does
that... that map reflect the county
that they were located in?
Liberty. ... Liberty
(talking at same time): No,
We we were in Montgomery
OK, Montgomery County.
...but we live in Liberty
No, we live in Dayton County.
(pause, ... chuckle from VL or
were you returning from Houston
or... what was your reason for being
down in that area? Could you...
would you mind telling us?
||Well we hadn't
thought about it being a Monday
night because we'd had so many
holidays, and we had gone to
Cleveland that night to play Bingo.
We got to Cleveland there was no
bingo game. We couldn't... we
figured out, well it was through the
holidays they had canceled it. So we
thought well, we'd go on to New
Caney, 'cause they had Bingo over
there also. We got to New Caney and
there was still no bingo, not
realizing that it was on a Monday
night instead of a Tuesday, and we
stopped at the truck stop restaurant
there on ... 59 and 1485
|About what time
BC: Must have been
about eight, eight-thirty.
CJC: P.M., right?
||Right... and after
we got through eating, we got in the
car and started home, and we drove
approximately... I'd say maybe
twelve miles, when we spotted this
object, and we kept watching it, we
couldn't figure out what it was, not
ever dreaming that we were going to
run... dead into it. But all of a
sudden, when we got out on this
country road, it just set down,
almost level with the treetops.
Well, it had lit up the entire sky.
Well it was seen as far as fifty
miles away from where we were. But,
on that country road, the lights
were so bright, and the heat was so
intense, I got out of the car. I
don't know what my purpose was
unless it was just normal instinct
to think well, maybe I'd be safer
outside than I would be inside. But
tell you the truth, we thought the
end of the world was coming. I mean
we'd I'd never in my life gone
through such a situation. But I knew
that there was no way we could go
under it the way the fire was
shooting out the bottom of it.
| Now, who all
was in the car at this time?
Vicki, Colby and myself.
OK. Those are the three people
that are here today?
What type of car were you
A 1980 Cutlass Oldsmobile.
Was it a two or four door?
ah... could you please just draw...
a picture of whatever it was that
you saw if it had a discernible
shape, and just sign it and date it
for me if you would. And again, I
realize you're not an artist so
don't worry about that, just do your
best to try to draw a picture
says I'm the world's worst.
|(Pause, ... Betty
apparently drawing UFO.
BC: Its supposed to
be a diamond shape, but its not
CJC: OK, and go ahead and
just sign your name and date it at
(Pause, ... Betty apparently
||Now show it to Ms.
Landrum, and Ms. Landrum, do you
agree that that was approximately
the shape of what it was that you
||Yes sir, but the
fire was coming right down to
||How big would you
say that this object was, can you
describe it in a term that you are
||Well, the only
thing that I can believe that I can
establish, maybe it was as large, if
not larger than a water tower.
|OK, in other
words, it was that tall?
||OK, now you are
talking about your standard
municipal size... water tower?,
there is such a thing as a standard
size., ah, yeah, Terry...
||Did you say this
was over a tree?
||It was over the
road, it was... they have real huge
tall pine trees in that area and it
was hanging down over the pine
|So it burned the
Well, (sighs) they were very
brown, I'll put it to you like
There's pictures of it.
||Ms. Landrum, if
you would, go ahead and... if you
agree with the description of that
object would you please sign and
date it too? Um... now I want
you to tell me once you stepped
outside the car, what you did and
||I walked toward
the front of the car, and the light
was so bright, and so... the heat
was so intense, I didn't know
whether to run, to get back in the
car, or what, and I stood there for
few minutes. Not too long because it
was so hot and the light was so
bright. And then I stared to yet
back in the car, and when I did I
had to use the bottom of my leather
jacket. I touched the door handle,
and the door handle was so hot I
couldn't stand it with my bare hand,
so I got the pocket of my leather
jacket to open the car door and get
back in. And at this time it was...
fire would shoot out of it and then
it would let up, when it would let
up... it made... I don't know what
kind of sound to tell you it was
making, it... similar to air
brakes... or?... a whooshing
We're going to a radio station to
detect the sounds today.
Sorry, Ms. Landrum, what did you
We're going to a radio station to
detect the sounds, when we get
back to Houston.
||OK. Now if you
would, what else... what other
information that you... that
you can give us.
||Well, I had not
killed the motor on the car, I had
put it park. The radio was playing
on low, but the car completely went
dead. I mean, it was like somebody
had turned a switch off on it.
And when the thing began to lift up,
well we were all horrified... well
in fact Vicki's the one, I guess
maybe I would have tried to have
gone on under it, that's how scared
I was. But she screamed for me to
stop, and right where she put her
hands, her fingerprints are still on
my dash, it melted my dash in the
car with her fingerprints imbedded.
So we... I finally got the car
started and it was so hot I had to
turn on the air conditioning in
order for us to get cool. And by
that time we were all burning up. It
was just... well it's just something
really you've got to experience to
||How long did
the... this UFO remain over your
vehicle and how far above it was
measured and I think it was what...
about 60 to 80 feet and we had
stopped about 130 to 133 feet from
it... back... from the object.
|So it was about...
you were 130 feet away from it...
and it was how many feet high?
60 to 80 feet... above.
OK, and ah... how long did this
sighting last, how long were you
exposed to it?
||Well, I'd say
about 15 to 16, 17 minutes, it
seemed like hours to me, but it
couldn't have been that long because
when I got home it was ten minutes
till ten, which is approximately a
twenty minute drive from where this
|Did you report it
to any authorities or anything at
Who did you report it to?
we kept calling Washington, in fact
I still have the phone number. And
they said that they would have
someone come out and check. Well
they got in touch with Bill English
with A-R-P-O, and he contacted
||What is the
||Its the A-P-R-O,
it's uh... uh... research of UFOs
uh.. that's uh not, I mean they
don't have no means of support,
other than they do it on their own,
you know, it's just like an
organization which... uh... cause
these are people who do care about
people that get hurt.
|Let me ask you did
you report it to any law enforcement
Who did you report it to?
||I didn't report it
to any of 'em, I was too sick, by
the time I got home, I had blisters
all over my head, my face, my back,
my neck, I was burning... from the
inside out. Vicki is the one that
called everybody and tried to get
help for me. Because she couldn't
get a doctor to see me at the time,
and a policeman in Dayton is the one
that gave her the number to call,
wasn't it Vicki?
|Uh huh... and he
had to hunt it up and it took him
about two days to find it.
Uh Huh... (unintelligible)...
Dayton about two days
||Ms. Landrum, we'll
have... you'll have a full chance to
add to or expand upon it, so you'll
have an opportunity to speak in a
minute... um... did... you
mentioned, I think, to Miss Wolf the
other day, last Friday when you
called, that you had contacted a
Congressman and he had referred you
here, would you basically tell us
how that came about?
||Ah, Yes. Alan
Hendry, who I don't know, never
heard of, from Atlanta, Georgia
contacted me and said he wanted to
help any way he could and he's the
one who asked me to write to Charles
Wilson, to Lloyd Benson and to
John... uh... Tower, and he said he
felt sure that that way I could get
some help. Charles Wilson referred
me to a Mr. Glass in Van Nuys
California, who is a UFO researcher
or something, but... Lloyd Benson
wrote a real nice letter back and
asked me to come here and talk with
y'all, and he felt sure that
you-all'd try to help in any way you
|CJC: OK, do
you have a copy of this letter
BC: No, I don't.
CJC: Ok, do... did you
write Senator Tower?
BC: Yes, I did.
CJC: And what response, if
any, did you get from him?
BC: Not any yet.
CJC: How long ago was it
that you wrote?
three weeks ago.
||OK. And Senator
Benson recommended that you come
here and talk to the Staff Judge
Advocate or talk to who?
||He said the Judge
Advocate at the Claims Office at
Bergstrom Air Force Base, I've
got... wrote down, mother, I was at
her house when I wrote the letters,
and she called me to tell me that I
had gotten the letter and to come
||OK, would you be
so kind as to send us a copy... Miss
Wolf, would you write down our
address here... would you send us a
cop of that letter?
||Yes, I'll be glad
||Alright, fine. OK,
um... now let me ask you what is
your reason for your coming here, I
know you talked with Senator Benson
and he said come here, but what do
Because of the helicopters.
OK, would you tell us about the
Yes, there was helicopters
completely around the object.
And its the type of helicopters
that I've never been used to
||They were the ones
that had two deals, two rotors on
them, and they were quite a few. We
drove on up the road and pulled over
and stopped, and I counted twenty
|CJC: OK, did
these helicopters have any type of
BC: Yes, they sure
CJC: And what type...
BC: They had "United
States Air Force".
CJC: OK, and you say there
were about 23 of them?
||Yes, that I
counted. Vicki says she counted 26.
Who knows? We were all so sick and
burning and hot and scared till...
that I don't say that we didn't
|Did your U... Did
the UFO you saw have any markings on
it that you could see?
Not that I could see, the light
was so bright.
Now uh... did the helicopters
stay with this UFO or...?
in fact, would you believe the
first thing that entered my mind was
about the pilots that were in the
helicopters, because of the heat
that we were feeling there. I was
scared for them, to tell you the
far away were the helicopters from
(lowered voice) Not very far.
Would you give me a distance in
feet, or in football lengths,
football field lengths?
||I don't think
they'd be... that they were that
far, maybe so, I can't, I won't say.
Because unless I can be sure I'm not
going to say.
||Uh.. when you're
using this description of a water
tower, you know, it was that far
above the ground or it was, you
know, As big as a water tower, do
you have a water tower in mind that
you are referring to? or that you're
using as a standard? is there one in
Clayton Texas, that you're...
|You mean Dayton?
No... I... is there a water tower
There's one there.
There's two of them.
||Well I'm trying
to... there's any different...
there's a number of different sizes
of water towers, I'm just trying to
get an idea of how big the UFO was,
and you say its about the size of a
water tower, I'm just trying to say
is it as big as a water tower that
you've seen, you could tell me
||Well, yeah, I've
seen them all over the country. You
know, standing high, but I mean
there's no certain water tower that
I'm speaking of. But I've just
seen them going into cities and
things. They have big white
water towers usually.
|OK. Uh... Terry.
What exactly did you see on the
side of the helicopters? what
exactly did it say?
Uh... "United States Air Force".
Written out (clears throat)
It was round.
No, I mean you saw the words
"United States Air Force" all the
words were spelled out?
Ok, that's what I'm asking,
exactly what did you see?
||Why don't you...
right here on this piece of paper
where you put your name and all...
why don't you write down the words
exactly as you saw them on the sides
of the helicopters.
-... that landed in Dayton?
(Pause apparently writing...)
||OK. now you've
written that out with a... was it
printed?... or written?... I wanted
you give me exactly as you saw
|No, it was printed
Printed out, OK. Alright, ah...
(breaking in) Do you want me to
put here "printed out?"
||No, that's OK. Why
don't you just put your initials by
that. (pause) OK. ...
Now um... these were the type that
had twin rotors on top?
Now, ah... did you remain there
until the UFO left?
Yes... very definitely.
Alright, and did these
helicopters follow after it?
||Yes, they sure
did. In fact, ah... they
drifted more to the wes..., east,
west, or west... over toward Crosby
and Intercontinental Airport was the
way they were... it was headed and
the helicopters were on both sides
of it and looked like they were
trying their best to get around the
top of it. It was unreal. In fact,
even driving down 1960, when we
stopped at the stop sign to turn
onto 1960... we drove to the First
National Bank in Dayton which, at
the time, was under construction,
and we could still see helicopters
coming. Now whether they were going
to help the other crews or what, I
didn't take time to find out.
|OK, now what type
of effects or problems have you had
as a result of what you saw?
You want to see some pictures?
||Well if you have
'em, we'd like to see 'em. If you
would... remember, some of these are
documents we'll not be able to keep,
we would, you know, request that you
would keep them, but if you would...
if there's any of them we could copy
for example with a Xerox copier
||There's the first
day after it happened.
||I'm looking at a
photograph that indicates that Ms.
Cash had some significant hair loss
along the side of her... cranium
above her right ear and extended
back over the crown of her head ...
||This is a picture
of the place where it happened.
||OK, now how long
after the incident did you take
these photographs? I know
that... the pictures of yourself...
the pictures were taken the
||(Talking over CJC)
I didn't take them... I did not take
No, they were made later, but there
were some made and those were made
off them.... I had some other
pictures... but I must have left
them in my other purse. Plus I was
completely blistered, in fact I have
a scar over my eye where one of the
blisters... every time they would
come up, they would break open and
just... run like water... just
sticky water, there was no pus or
anything, you know. But they... in
fact, I stayed in the hospital for a
month, maybe a little bit longer...
at Parkway Hospital in
||CJC: OK, now
is there ah... anything else that
you'd like to tell us regarding
||Yes. I had... I
still have diarrhea, I still have
upset stomach, I still feel weak,
I'm tired, I don't have any energy
like I used to have, I have severe
headaches... and I have... I'll bet
I could count on my hand how many
headaches I'd ever had in my
lifetime, until this happened.
But... it's unreal how my head
hurts. My right ear is bothering me
right now. Its... the beeping
sound... the shrill beeping sound
the object was making... it was just
like it was... was deafening. That's
how shrill it was.
||Was it like that
of a aircraft, you know like around
a jet airliner? Have you ever
flown on a commercial
||Oh yes... sure I
||Was it louder or
similar to that? Have you ever
anything that was similar to it,
that you can compare it to?
No, no. That's exactly the reason
I'm going and listen to some
CJC: Beg pardon?
BC: That's the reason
I'm going to listen to some
CJC: OK. Is there anything
you can tell us about what you saw
or what happened to you?
||Well, the only
thing I know that I was sick within
30 minutes after the time it
happened, and burning up, I was just
like I had been blistered all over,
like I had been laying on a beach,
and it happened within 30 minutes
after... this incident. I were
feeling fine before, then all this
took place. The next morning I was
so sick I couldn't... and craving
water, I was dying of thirst, or I
thought I was. I felt like I was so
dehydrated. I couldn't even get out
of bed to get myself a glass of
|Did you have any
special sensation in your
Nothing but extremely dryness...
Have you uh... tried... OK
||(breaking in) ...
my lips were swollen, my ears were
swollen about three times... well in
fact my entire body... my family
didn't recognize me. When they
came to the hospital, they told them
what room I was in. They said had
they not known for sure that it was
me, they wouldn't have known
||Prior to this
occasion on the 29th of December,
1980, had you ever been hospitalized
or treated for any uh... ailments or
|Sure, I had heart
OK, and when and where was
In Birmingham Alabama in Nineteen
... Seventy Six
OK, any other treatments?
Nothing other than just a
hysterectomy... when I was
||When you was 29.
Now have you been you ever been
treated for any ah... medical
condition that would have required
you to have be exposed to any
CJC: Is there anything else
that you can pass on to us?
||Well, no nothing
other than that they ran every test
possible... on me, and the said they
could find NO... problems wrong with
my body anywhere, to cause me to be
in that condition
you say "they," who is "they"?
BC: The doctors at
CJC: Do... did you have a
physician by name that you could
BC: I surely do now.
CJC: OK, What's his name?
BC: Dr. Shoney.
CJC: Dr. Shoney?
Would you spell that please?
CJC: OK, does he have
practice there in Parkway...or in
Parkway... is Parkway in...
CJC: ...wherever it is...
BC: It's in Houston.
||OK. Do you have a
better address for Dr. Shoney.. you
say Parkway... is it Parkway
|(breaking in) Yes,
I'm not familiar with it, that's
the reason I asked...
||(breaking in) He
has, ah... well he has an office too
on Antoine. I'm not sure what
the address is because if I go to
see him for anything, I just drive
right to it. (chuckles)
||I see. OK. Now
ah... you unders.... you tell me you
that currently still have dysentery
and some hear loss, is that...
hearing loss, is that correct?
||I still have
headaches, I still have upset
stomach, I still can't take a hot
bath, if I do, I look like a burn
victim all over again.
|OK just a min...
(break in recording)
Ok, would you...
I can't stand the heat
OK. You're... so... in other
words you're heat sensitive?
Tell me about it.
What about exposure to sunlight?
||I can't take the
sunlight. I mean It's just to the
point where I have to stay in the
house unless it gets out after it
gets cool in the afternoon and the
sun goes down, or either I am in the
bed sick the next day.
|OK. Now does this
include... what part of your bodies
are heat sensitive?
My entire body.
Entire body... OK. Alright, uh...
let me ask you, how old are
Fifty two. Alright uh...
May I ask some questions?
Yeah, why don't you ask some
question... you said something about
her hands touching the dashboard of
And you said something melted?...
the dashboard melted, is that what
||Well, I guess that
the dashboard melted, her
fingerprints right where she pressed
on my dash, when I threw on my
brakes to save, to keep from going
under it... they're imbedded in my
|And is that car
No, it's in Alabama; I flew out.
||I'm not able to
drive that distance. My mother came
down here and took me back to
Alabama because I wasn't able to
take care of myself.
|OK now... you gave
an address as being in Clayton
(breaking in) Dayton.
She lives on Clayton Street.
OK, are you currently living in
What's your address there?
209 48th. Street in Fairfield,
Fairfield. I'm a little bit
familiar with Alabama.
... close to the area, not
Fairfield, but not far from it.
||Well right now
it's almost like being in
Birmingham, used it was 12 miles out
of town, it was a long way out in
has grown quite a bit. OK, and ah...
is it because of this incident you
moved back to Alabama or... ?
||Now let me ask Ms.
Landrum some questions. Ah... is
there any observances or anything
that you saw during the sighting
that differs from what Ms. Cash
|Well, no, but
there's something that she didn't
OK, and what's that?.
||Okay they... when
she was talking about the fire...
ah... when it would come... you
know, it was hanging up, you know,
over the trees... when the fire'd
come down, it would lift up, and
when the fire'd let up, you know...
when the fire'd kinda go away...
that's when it would come back
down... and finally when big gust of
fire came down and the sound was so
shrill, that's when it lifted to
where it would get up and go
Now what, if anything happened to
you as a result of being...
um... you can see the scars on my
arms, and when I get out in the sun
you can see that this come up in a
big blister Saturday when it ...
happened. And uh... my eye doctor
said that there's a possibility that
within a year or year and a half
that he'll have to operate. there's
a possibility when he operates on my
eyes, because ah... the film is
already has.. had started... started
forming... you know, a film, like
cataracts, except that my eyes was
burned so bad that they teared for
about three months. Nothing but
tears would pour, you know?, and
they was swelled so that I could
hardly see. And he said that if they
were, wasn't ... was regular
cataracts hopefully that he could
remove them and I'd yet have some of
my sight. But if they're imbedded
cataracts, that I won't never see
OK, let me ask you, did you at any
time look directly at the UFO...
VL: Yes sir, yes sir.
CJC: ...and for how long?
um... well I'll tell you, he was
screaming and crying and everything
so, and I thought the world was
coming to an end, and I believed
that sooner or later we'd gonna have
to meet somebody. And I was
telling him that ah.. look right in
it, you know, I was showing him, I
didn't find where the object was,
you know when I... it was kinda like
a flat... aluminum, I guess, you
know, the inside of it looked dark,
you know, the object did, and I was
telling him to look right inside if
he saw a big man it'd be
Jesus. And we set there and I
kept talking to him to watch for
that man to come down inside.
And I looked at it from the time she
was... got out of the car until she
got back in, I got out for just a
few minutes and burned my arm on top
of the car, and this one has always
been a lot worse than this one. You
know, I was holding him in and had
my arm up on the car, you know, like
you kinda hold somebody in the door,
and um... but I guess I looked at
it... too long. Because I was
trying to keep him quiet and show
him something that would be more
pleasant that what he was
Now um... you mentioned the fact
that you had sustained some type of
burn or. . something under each
Yeah, you see when it goes away, it
leaves knots like... and ah... and
when I went to the doctor there in
Houston... I mean I was sick, I had
the diarrhea and everything, but I
was taking care of Betty, I was
taking care of Colby, I didn't have
time to go to the doctor, and I
didn't have time to carry him 'cause
he was like a little baby for over a
month. I mean he had no control over
his bowels, or his, you know,
nothing, and I was taking care of
him, and I wasn't going to leave
him. And um... so uh... the doctors
down there asked me had I been
around any poison oak or poison ivy
on my arms. And when it finally...
the blisters kinda cleared up and
left, places healed up and looks
terrible. They yet come up, and
uh... now the ones that come up is
let me just say for this tape
recorder say that on your left hand
there is a... uh... I think this is
the metacarsha... metacarpals upper
left hand, portion of her left hand
there is a bruise about the size of
a quarter, that's uh... kind of a
deep purple, and you said that last
Saturday that turned... this
past Saturday we were out in the sun
for quite a while, and the sun does
it to me. Just like one's been right
here it was a big old blister, you
know, it'd go away and come up a
like a scar. like this.
And that there are several scars and
blisters on the lower portion of her
arm and hands. Now ah... let me ask
in) And my fingernails come off,
they're, they're they're back now
but they come completely off, my
fingernails did. I saved the
fingernails for some
say you saved them, have you turned
them over to any scientists or
I'm fixing to, I've got them. I
got each one of them tagged and
now let me ask you... did you have
any other skin sensitivity problems
for the rest of your life?
ah... we was completely blistered,
and he ah... he's got scars on his
face where he had hanging water
blisters, on his little cheek and
everything, over on that side. Just
one, one side of his face because
I... the reason I believe its not on
this side is because I was hugging
that side to me, I think that other
side is the one that got it, the one
that had the hanging blisters
because one side wasn't blistered as
bad as the other side.
let me ask... just specifically
about you though, are other parts of
your body heat sensitive or sunlight
seems like it's my eyes and my arms
because my eyes feel just like
they've got sand in them, and I can
get out in the sun or anything and
it feels just like I want to just
put my hand up there and just rub
them out I guess, if I didn't make
myself stop I could just rub them
until I didn't have any eyes
now did you suffer any hair loss at
sir, I lost my hair. But now my hair
didn't come out until about, it was
about six weeks after the incident
when I... about a month, about a
month after the incident, my hair
started coming out, and it's just
come back, I haven't... I mean this
is the way it looks since it's come
back, I had soft, manageable easy
hair to... I mean it was, it was
extra fine hair, it was a little
like baby hair, and it was, it was
kinda, you know wavy, curly I could
do anything with it, after it come
out and came back, this is what I
got... cause I'm ashamed to even go
to the grocery store.
did you, either of you, experience
any... I know you mentioned you
experienced dysentery, but did any
of you experience nausea?
Oh... sick! You ain't.. I was... I'd
get up to go to the bathroom, and
I'd be.. I'd get so sick that I'd
have to lay down on the bathroom
floor until I got able to get back
Now can you give us any more
information regarding the UFO
itself?... what you saw, or a better
description or can you compare the
size of it to anything?
in) Well, it was about the size of
ah... I'd say a BIG water tower...
um.. not at the top, you know, but I
mean it come kinda down this a way,
but it was long, it wasn't no short,
it was long.
many flames, separate flames did you
see from the bottom, 1, 2,
in) Well there was so many, there
was so many... much light,
that honestly I was only seeing one,
I mean there wes just... like the
flame come down, you know? ... just
like, just like a rocket... just
like you'd shoot off a rocket or
something, you know how the flame
will come down?
how many separate flames did you
see, did you see more than one flame
at a time?